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in 1986 but are staring us in the face today. first, a much larger and much more dangerous deficit and second, a dramatic increase been income and inequality. old-style tax reform could make both conditions worse. but don't dismiss the old framework lightly. credit for the 1986 reform law belongs to democrats like bill bradley in the senate. just as much as to president reagan. as a member of the house back then, i not only voted for it, but i whipped the votes to make sure it passed. i was on the committee set up by dan rostenkowski to get it done. the approach made a good deal of sense at the time. then, as now, the code was littered with egregious loopholes that needed to be reformed. recall the so-called passive law schools that were in place back then. they allowed wealthy taxpayers to gain the system. someone could invest in a bowling alley and then, if the bowling alley lost money, they could take a write off many times larger than their initial money incestment of their entire income tax liability. we need to get rid of such a gimmicky tax shelter. paring these loopholes al
to deficit reduction rather than tax breaks for the wealthiest americans. charles schumer was speaking at the national press club in washington about the fiscal cliff, those expiring tax and budget cuts that go into effect in january. this is just under an hour. >> good morning. we're starting right on time today. i want to thank you for coming. i want to take up those of use who are joining us on seemed span. i am a member of the newsmaker committee of the national press club. on behalf of the national press club, we are honored to have charles schumer. the senator will address the topic of tax reform, and i want to say this is an appropriate tax -- topic. time, theus' prevailing idea was that there were dragons just over the horizon. columbus thought he could find a new route, and today we will be exploring new routes to tax reform. the senator will talk for approximately 25 minutes, and and it we will open up the news conference to questions. senator? thank you for that timely introduction. i want to thank the national press club. here is what i said yesterday -- [speaking italian]
in the debate. i think that what he did emphasize instead was that he was not going to add to the deficit or increase taxes on the middle-class. the study done the tax policy center and others show it is a little difficult to keep those pledges while cutting the rate the full 20%, and that is a decision by governor romney not to mention the 20% #says he is likely to adjust his plan, that he will stick with the idea but a -- of not adding to the deficit and not taxing in a class but will have to change the rate cuts a bet. >> this year would governor romney had to do -- say in his own words. >> i am not looking for a five door trillion tax cut. i said i would not put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan as $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. number to, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. you keep saying that, and i know that is popular to say, but that is not the case. i have five boys -- i am used to people saying something that is not always true but is keep on repeating it and u
into record deficits under george bush is because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card. and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. [applause] we are not going to let this country fall backward. not now. not with so much at stake. we've got to move forward. we need to invest in small business and manufacturers who create jobs here in the united states. we need to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers, train two million workers at community college, bring down the cost of college tuition. we need to -- [cheers and applause] we need to cut our oil imports in half. create thousands more jobs in clean energy. we need to use the savings from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan to help pay down our deficit and put people back to work doing some nation building right here at home. that's the agenda we need. that's how you strengthen the middle class. that's how you keep moving forward. that's the choice in this election. and that's why i'm running for a second term. that
, the problem of running deficits and accumulating greater debt, that the country had a budget deficit, a trade deficit, a balance of payments deficit, and the fourth one you brought up was a leadership deficit. >> leadership is the greatest. >> can i ask you both, describe what is the problem with what appears to be in your mind a leadership deficit, that we're not getting the leadership on this key issue either from this president or past presidents, this congress or pass congresses/ what does it take to get elected officials to tackle at an issue, increasing their taxes? >> let's start with the families. they will get their attention. the voters have to understand all this, which they did not, and voters need to understand what we have to do to get all this corrected, and they do not. if we ever get that over to the voters, they will vote for the people who are geared up, ready, and know how to do it and are running on that basis, and then we can change this country forever and get us back to where we used to be when i was a boy in the depression. why schoolteachers and would have been docto
this is an integral part of your jobs plan. our deficit has increased. unemployment is on the rise. this is not part of an active jobs plan. and next topic bills was something we all worry about, it taxes. chris keating will ask that question first. >> there is consensus that extending the bush tax cut is a good idea. there is sharp disagreement about whether the what they should benefit as well. how will you keep taxes lower on the wealthiest americans and keep the jobs as a whole? >> i do call for tax cuts for the middle class. i would keep all of the other tax brackets in place. there would be no gain or loss for others. even president obama in 2010 said we should not increase taxes will we are in a recession. we are barely out of a recession. i do not think now is the time to raise taxes. my plan does call for a tax cut for the middle class. the only one on the stage as called for a tax cut from the middle class. we need to make sure that if our economy starts to turn around and we are improving, i would recommend that we pay more taxes. i would be willing to pay more taxes as long as there's we
paying for governor romney opposed tax plan either means going up the deficit or raising taxes on middle-class family. one or the other. then last week mitt romney actually said there's no economist who can say mitt romney's tax plan is $5 trillion. he says that if he says it's not true then it's not true. ok. [applause] it's true then it will not add to the deficit, that leaves one option, asking middle-class families to get rid of the deduction they get for having a home or raising their kids or sending them to college. most folks don't like that idea either. just last week when we were on stage together governor romney decided that instead of changing his plan he would just pretended did not exist. what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut? when he is asked how he will cut the deficit, he says economic the mathematics work by eliminating public funding for pbs. this is not new. this is what he has been saying every time he is asked a question. he says we can cut out pbs. for all you moms and kids, don't worry, somebody finally has found out the big bi
for 10% of the deficit spending increases. lower tax rates across the board and close loopholes. we have three bottom lines. do not raise the deficit, do not raise taxes on the middle class, do not lower the share that is borne by the high income earners. it has been discredited by six other studies and even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged that it was not correct. >> let's talk about this. you have refused to offer specifics on how you would pay for that 20% across the board. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it? >> different than this administration, we want to have a big bipartisan agreement. >> do you have the specifics? >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. we raise about $1.20 trillion through income taxes. we forgo about $1.10 trillion in loopholes and deductions. deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income tax payers. so we can lower tax rates across the board. >> i hope i am going to get time to respond. >> we want to work with congress on how best to achieve this. >> no specifics. >> lower tax rate 20%. start with
promise to get our spending under control by cutting the deficit in half. he was so confident that shortly after taking office president obama said he would fix the economy in three years or face a one-term proposition. today he has broken the promises. his words have no credibility. host: that was the republican weekly address. ralph from the main joins us on the independent line. caller: i was born in 1950, 61 years old. i have gone through all kinds of things. my dad was in the service -- i have had two fathers. i am taking care of my mother now who is just getting one cut back after another through social security. medical benefits. i am not happy. i know what is going on. in the last five years i have taking care of her 24-7. i have had time to educate myself on what it is. until we understand who the enemy is, nothing will change and their plans will continue. there are manufacturing a war because global international banks and their lackeys have bankrupted the world. derivatives are nothing more than leverage. you have a situation where if you look and research it, the city of londo
. you're going to have $1 trillion deficit. he said i have not done anything yet. >> we can not keep looking our children in the eye knowing that we're going to give them a diminished future because we're spending their money today. it is a very simple idea. mayor ron and i am going to bring it to washington. we have to stop spending money we do not have. we must cut spending. we must get this balanced budget. we must get this debt under control. >> congressman paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate. martha margaret. you can watch and engage with our live in debate preview starting seven got p.m. eastern filed by the debate at 9:00. your reaction at and 30 p.m. -- at 10:30 p.m. >> c-span's debate website provides life and on demand coverage of all the presidential and vice- presidential debate. is on a place for you will see live coverage before and after the debate. it has each debate question as a separate. what your critics clips as well and read streaming tweets from political reporters. go to c-span.org/debate. >> the house has done better in making its proce
by the end of the decade. get this deficit and debt under control. make trade work for america. champion small businesses, do not raise taxes on small businesses. they are our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. this is a guide who i was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day. their kids of work hid in a car crash. two of them were paralyzed. they went to the same church. mitt asked if he could come over on christmas. he brought his boys and his wife and deaths. i know you are struggling, do not worry about college, i will pay for it. mitt romney does not tell these stories. it was not the cash, he gave his time and he has consistently. this is a man who gave 30% of its income to charity, more of the two of us combined. he is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in the country. the vice president knows that sometimes the words did not come out of your mouth the right way. [laughter] >> i always say what i mean. >> we want everybody to succeed. we want to get everybody out of poverty. we believe an opportunity. that is what we're going to pu
means blowing up the deficit or raising taxes on middle-class families. one or the other. pick your poison. last week, mitt romney said, there is no addition to the deficit with my tax plan. if he says it is not true, then it is not true. ok. it is true that it is not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option. that is asking middle-class families to foot the bill by getting rid of the deductions for owning a home, raising kids, or sending them to college. as it turned out, most folks do not like that idea either. just last week, on stage, governor romney decided that instead of changing his plan, he would pretended did not exist. what $5 trillion tax cut? i do not know anything about that tax cut. pay no attention to the tax cut under the carpet, behind the curtain. when he was asked how he would cut the deficit, he said he could make the math work by eliminating local public funding for pbs. by the way, this is not new. this is what he has been saying every time he is asked a question. we can cut out pbs. for all you moms and kids out there, do not worry. somebody is
dust of trickle-down economics will somehow erase any damage to the deficit or hold harmless the middle class -- it is a mirage. it is not realistic. the broader issues of tax reform are something that very much interest the president of united states, but has always -- his approach is always that everyone has to pay their fair share, everyone has to pay their -- everyone has to get a fair shot. in the debate he is having with the election and has been having with republicans on capitol hill, if we take a balanced approach that includes increased revenues by asking millionaires and billionaires to pay a little bit more, we can reduce our deficit significantly -- $4 trillion -- while making sure that the middle class does not have its taxes go up and making sure that we invest in education and infrastructure and innovation. the alternative choice that has been presented is that we should lower taxes for millionaires and billionaires and in order to pay for that, we have to turn medicare into a voucher program. we have to get investments in education and innovation, research and developme
national deficit has grown through $16 trillion. the president said he was gone to cut that in half, but it doubled under his watch. very disturbing is that when the president came into office there were 32 million americans on food stamps. today its 47 million. there is still an incredible number of ohioans and americans out there struggling. the choice is clear. we can have four more years like the last of zero four. what america needs is a real recovery. only romney and ryan can provide that. host: when the president took office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. since the president took office, we have 5.5 million additional jobs. truck about the automobile recovering, he saved the automobile industry and 1/88 jobs in the state are reflective of the auto industry. i worked the railroad 41 years. the guys and women working there, they're happy, jumping up and down because they have employment. one out of eight jobs are connected to the auto industry. not only that, the government at the time, strickland, and the president came to and youngstown, my area, and it one of the last
, in 2010 a bipartisan federal commission unveiled the plan to cut the nation's deficit by $4 trillion through a mix of tax increases and spending cuts. the plan was never voted on in congress. do you agree with any or all with what the commission came up with? what other efforts do you think the country needs to take on to cut the country's debt, which now exceeds $16 trillion? >> debt and our deficit are very important issues that we need to tackle and they're a matter of national security. and this is one of the starkest contrasts between congresswoman bono mack and myself. you see, congresswoman bono mack wants to put the deficit and the burden of our debt on the shoulders of our seniors, our middle class and our students. by turning medicare into a private voucher system and charging our seniors $6,000 a year for their health care costs on average, by cutting pell grants and stafford loans who rely on those for their college education and she's voted to increase taxes on the middle class through the ryan plan. all of this in order to keep tax breaks for multi-millionaires and tax
years later left with massive deficits. during his time in the senate, the national debt went up by $16,000. he conceded that spending was a problem in the senate. we also have people who need to know how to work together. i learned to cut crime bills and the economy. my opponent said his job was to not democrats softly. he took this similar position in the senate, fighting efforts led by the then-senior virginia senator. when someone who will fight and that is what i will do is your next to none state senator. >> if mr. allen, your opening statement. >> thank you. it's much better future than what we are having to endure these days. that is why i put forward a detailed plan. my blueprint for america to get an economy and stronger jobs. the question is which one of us can be accounted upon. you may have read an article that was comparing our two governorships. the call me when the most accomplished modern governors with major improvements in public education, safety, welfare reform, and i described how worked with leaders in the other party to get results for the people. the bad economy
spending cuts and we need to be talking about increasing revenues. it takes both to close the deficit. we both submitted our economic proposals to the boston globe. they were sent out four independent economic analysis. what the independent economists found is that i was 67% more effective at cutting the deficit then senator brown. why? because i am willing to make cuts. i am willing to make substantial cuts. i support substantial cuts. i also believe we have to raise revenues. that is what it will take to get serious about our deficit. i truly believe on this one, this is about our children and grandchildren. we cannot leave it to our grandchildren to pay off our debts. >> great question. we are in the $16 trillion national debt. we are in another trillion dollar deficit. you cannot keep borrowing to pay our bills. when we are talking about cutting military spending, we have party cut in half a trillion dollars. that affects many people in this room and people watching. i have been battling as a member of the arms services committee to try to find the resources to protect our men and wom
administration does not really care about the deficit and how high it is getting. why would you raise the deficit when you owe so much money? it will bankrupt our country. host: what do you do a in redmond, ore.? caller: i am a full-time student at a community college and i also work at a fast-food restaurant to pay bills. host: where are you studying? caller: criminal-justice. host: where are you watching c- span at 6:00 a.m. in the morning in oregon? caller: i get up early allot. earlier, i was watching a different program, in b.c. i think, and i think there were a lot of very baidoa -- nbc, i think, and i think there were a lot of very biased reporters. i switched channels. host: is this your first time watching c-span? caller: no, it is now. i actually watched it a lot. host: that is there a studying criminal justice in redmond, ore.. next up is michael in springdale, another first-time voter. caller: i was flipping through the channels here and listening to a lot of individuals call in and one of the topics that came up is the military. and being a first-time voter, i want to say that as a v
of this bill is a $460 billion deficit. the second cost has a $1.7 trillion deficit. the most cynical give a guy in this bill is something we probably all agree on -- we do not think we should cut doctors' 21% next year. we stopped those cuts from occurring every year the last seven years. according to your numbers, this costs $371 billion. it was in the first iteration of all these bills, but because it was a big price tag and made the score look bad, that provision was taken out, and it has been going on in stand-alone legislation. but ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. hiding spending does not reduce spending. when you take a look at all of this, it just does not add up. i will finish with the cost curve. are we bending the cost curve down or up? if you look in your own chief actuary at medicare, we are bending it up. he is claiming we are going up $221 billion, adding more to the fiscally unstable situation we have. when you look at this, it is really deeper than deficits or the budget gimmicks or the actuarial analysis. there really is a difference
both to close the deficit. we both submitted our economic proposals to the boston globe. they were sent out four independent economic analysis. found is that i was 67% more effective at cutting the deficit then senator brown. why? because i am willing to make cuts. i am willing to make substantial cuts. i support substantial cuts. i also believe we have to raise revenues. that is what it will take to get serious about our deficit. i truly believe on this one, this is about our children and grandchildren. we cannot leave it to our debts. >> that is time. mr. brown? >> great question. we are in the $16 trillion national debt. we are in another trillion dollar deficit. you cannot keep borrowing to pay our bills. when we are talking about cutting military spending, we have party cut in half a trillion dollars. that affects many people in this room and people watching. i have been battling as a member of the arms services committee to try to find the resources to protect our men and women who are serving. we have sequestration coming up. we are trying to work in a bipartisan effort to step b
to have a trillion dollar deficit. he said, i haven't done anything yet. >> we cannot keep looking our children in the eye knowing that we are going to give them a diminished future because we are spending their money today. it's a very simple idea. mitt romney and i are going to bring it to washington. we have got to spending money we don't have. we must cut spending. we must get a balanced budget. we must get this debt under control. >> this thursday night, congressman paul ryan and vice president joe biden will face off in a debate. you can watch and engauge with c-span with our life debate preview starting at 7:00 eastern. your actions, calls, e-mails, and tweets at 10:30 following our live coverage on c-span, c-span radio, and online at c-span.org. >> sunday a debate in the u.s. senate between linda mcmahon, republican, and representative chris murphy, democrat. รบ >> i will not raise taxes on middle income families. >> now he says five weeks before the election, his big, bold idea, is never mind. >> it's arithmetic. >> sunday watch the entire debate at noon eastern time, here on
$50,000 at 100% it would only run the government 90 days. we would still have a $300 billion deficit. there are not enough rich people to tax to pay for all of their spending. watch out, middle-class, the tax issues are coming to you. host: joseph is in our jacksonville, florida line, in support of president obama. caller: good morning. i enjoyed the debate. several things caught my eye with vice president biden's. he did a lot of laughing and smirking. some of it was called for and some was not. going back to last week, watching romney tell those untruths, i believe he had to do some of that because the only thing paul ryan was doing was complementing what romney was doing, which was lying. so i believe biden had to interrupt because there were times when things ryan was saying did not make any sense. the 47%, they cannot clarify the that this really has hurt a lot of people by what they have said and they cannot live up to that. then president obama gets in office the first day and the republicans say we will do everything we can to make sure you are one-term president. how can you
're facing absolutely massive deficits. this administration has chosen to ignore it. the president has failed, put forth a plan to deal with those deficits and if everyone believes everything is coming up roses, perhaps the vice- president should join me as i travel around the country and speak to people. people in pennsylvania are not terribly thrilled with what happening in the economy. people in youngstown, ohio have stores that are boarded up because the economy is not doing well. it's not only the old industries that are not -- in san jose, calif., they are complaining because they cannot export their high-quality goods to japan and other countries. people in the northwest and in the state of oregon are complaining about what's happening to the timber industry and agriculture industry. things are not as great as the administration is wanting us to believe in their television commercials. my feeling quite frankly is i have enough experience to see the problems, address them, and make the tough decision that level of people with reference to this problem. >> despite the historic aspects of
of $3 trillion in deficit reductions, which is some combination of tax revenue and spending cuts. therein lies the problem. we have a situation where democrats have been loath to to target the deep spending cuts to domestic programs an impediment programs that would be needed to cut a deal, -- entitlement programs that would be needed to cut a deal, and republicans are loath to consider the idea of any sort of new tax revenue that could be added to the picture. so, how do you put this deal together in no way that makes a policy sense, but also would satisfy the political differences on either side? it really is difficult. if you look to the projections, people say if we do not do anything, this would be great for the nation put the deficit, because tax revenues would automatically go up, spending would go down, and our national deficit would nearly be cut in half. that is a great outcome. yes, it is, but the other hand, the economy, which is in a fragile state, would decline, and we've seen projections of a 0.5% reduction in gdp growth which experts say would put the economy in a
. >> it is an alluring prospect to cut taxes on the wealthiest people, reduce the deficit, but the mass dictates you cannot have it all. the arithmetic, as president clinton said. the reality is, any path forward that promises to cut rates will fail to reduce the deficit or fail to protect the middle class from a net tax increase. you can at most achieve two of these goals. anyone pushing a plan purporting to accomplish all three is not telling the truth. the sooner we are honest with ourselves about this, the easier it will be to negotiate an actual compromise on taxes and on deficit reduction. host: senator charles schumer, democrat, new york, yesterday, talking about these negotiations on the so-called fiscal cliff. the gang of eight is trying to come up with some alternative plan to address that. we're spending a couple more minutes here, one or two more phone calls about the supreme court hearing the affirmative action case. they are going to release the audio of the arguments on friday after 1:00 p.m. we will put that up and air that on friday. go to c-span.org for more details about when all
campaign stop in new hampshire was talking about the threat of deficit spending. it's probably something you might hear tonight at the vice- presidential debate. here's a preview. [video clip] >> we cannot keep borrowing 36 cents of every dollar our government spends. we cannot keep the federal reserve doing what. we cannot keep looking our children in the eye, knowing that we are going to give them a diminished future because we are spending their money today. it's a very simple idea. mitt romney and i will bring it to washington. we've got to stop spending money we don't have. we must cut spending. we must get this balanced budget. we must get this debt under control. this debt not only hurts our economy today with the threat of higher interest rates and a losing a dollar and much higher tax rates. we know that we are giving the students here at this academy, our children and grandchildren, a lower standard of living. we've never done that in this country before. host: vice-presidential candidate paul ryan in new hampshire at a recent event. here's what you might hear from the vice-pre
and creating jobs. >> your also worried about the deficit. clearly america has large and ever-growing deficits. the proposed a tax cut. that is defecit spending. >> this is a two-step deal. everybody knows we need the big deal. we talk about that and 30 seconds. we're not going to get to the big deal by jumping off the bridge. what we're saying is that it is not the right thing to do to have the largest tax increase in the history of america and to have up $1.20 trillion worth of spending cuts that do not even look at medicare and medicaid across the board without thinking through what is the deal is going to be. anybody from either party should come to a realization that the big deal counts. all we need to do is get a small part of an extension. when you talk about these taxes and spending, it cannot be done by 10 people in the back room. it has to be done in normal order. they are the only people that understand what you're in those bills. >> to and if you really think we're going to jump off a fiscal cliff? >> i think it is at least that the tax cut scheduled to expire to expire. maybe slig
waters? i got to ask why it was when he called the massive deficit we have un-american. i understand. the deficit spending has been outrageous under republicans and democrats. but why when thaws with the case why did he spend $90 billion sending money to green companies, contributors of his. we heard what he had to say or not say. i think we boil it down to this. more recently he said, look, you can't change washington from the inside. you have to change washington from the outside. we'll, we're going to give him that chance on november 6. [cheers and applause] now, there were a couple of place where is we agreed. we agreed, for instance, that we would take this country in very different directions. and he points out -- well, actually it was the vice president that blurted out the truth that they're planning on raising the taxes with $2 trillion. actually it's more like $3 trillion. there's no secret that the spending and the interest that they amassed by virtue of their spending and it's going to cause them to raise taxes on the middle-class. i make this commitment to you, under no
a deficit, because you are spending money. >> i do not think your labels mean a lot. what i have said from the beginning -- the centerpiece of our problems is the national debt. we simply have to look at this. whether we do it this year because of the way our economy is or next year, $2.3 trillion. >> i want you to respond to this. >> i'm glad there is a clear contrast between the two of us. i do not believe we should raise taxes. i do not think the problem is that americans are not taxed enough. mr. sadler has been very candid that he would consider raising taxes on every single tax and who pays income tax is. >> that is not fair. >> if you would consider allowing all of the bush tax cuts to expire, that would raise taxes on every single tax and who pays income tax. are the texans to pay income taxes we would not raise taxes on? you did not have an answer. >> you will not put words in my mouth. i would say, the first place, we have to balance the budget, cut spending, and raise revenue to reduce the national debt. you have never given any plan to reduce the national debt. anything you eve
, the economy, and the deficit, and a reference to former president kennedy. >> first of all, i was there when ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of small-business americans paid -- make less than $250,000. amid tell you who some of the other small businesses are. hedge funds that make a hundred million dollars a year. that is what they call as small business. gov. romney on 60 minutes about 10 days ago was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. somebody making $50,000 face more than that. he said that is fair. that is fair. do you think these guys are going to go out there and cut the loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage of is the carriage entrance loophole and the capital gains loophole. the reason that the american enterprise study, the tax policy center study all say taxes will go up on the middle-class is it is the only way you can find at $5 trillion and loopholes as to cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people, take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. >> is he wrong about that? >
to eliminate spending that doesn't work. we are ready to have a deficit reduction deal that is big, bold, and balanced. we also understand that in addition to spending cuts you go got to have revenue. hope that moderate republicans will be empowered to negotiate that with us for the good of the country. we have eight minutes left here.x >> congressman, you talked a little bit about that.xxx you know, when we come back and in november and to the capital, all of the congress, all the members of congress including some of the tea party members you hope to defeat this remember will still be here, will still be voting members until at least january, how do you navigate that if democrats are successful in november? >> time in thinking the day after. am focus on how to get into a position where we within the house of representative then we can reach out and cross the aisle and talk to moderate republicans and maybe even to some tea party republicans who have now bee been, have now learned the lesson firsthand as painful it may be that extremism is not a virtue. and maybe we'll be able to talk s
that does not work. we are ready to have a deficit reduction bill that is big, bold and balanced. but we also understand that and in addition to spending cuts coming up to have some revenue. and i hope that moderate republicans will be empowered to negotiate that with us for the good of the country. >> when we come back in november, all of the members of congress, including some of the tea party members to vote to defeat this year, will still be your, -- will still be here. how do you navigate that if democrats are successful in november? >> again, i am not really thinking about the day after. i am focused on how do we get to a position where we win the house representatives and then we can reach out across the aisle and talk to moderate republicans and maybe even to some tea party republicans who have now learned the lesson first hand, as painful as it may be, that extremism is just not a virtue. and maybe we will be able to talk some sense into them and get back to where we were in the debt reduction talks last august. three times, we had a debt reduction deal with john boehner on spen
called the massive deficit we have unamerican, why, when that was the case, he spent $90 billion sending money to green energy companies, many of blum wrote by friends of his, contributors of is, and we heard what he had to say or not say. i think we boil it down to this. he said more recently, look, you cannot change washington from the inside. you have to change it from the onset. we will give him that chance. [cheers and applause] now, there were couple of places where we agreed. we agreed that we would take this country in very different directions. he points out that, actually, it was the vice president a part of the truth, they're planning on raising taxes by $1 trillion, more like $2 trillion with obamacare taxes, but the spending and the interest on the debt they amassed by virtue of their spending will do what one recent study shows, causing them to raise taxes on the middle class. i make this commitment to you. under no circumstances will i raise taxes on the middle class of america. [cheers and applause] under his watch, we will have obamacare installed. bureaucrats can tell y
-a-trillion-dollar deficit annually. when george bush came into office, our debt, national debt was around $5 trillion. it's now over $10 trillion. we've almost doubled it. and so while it's true that nobody's completely innocent here, we have had over the last eight years the biggest increases in deficit spending and national debt in our history. and senator mccain voted for four out of five of those george bush budgets. so here's what i would do. i'm going to spend some money on the key issues that we've got to work on. you know, you may have seen your health care premiums go up. we've got to reform health care to help you and your budget. we are going to have to deal with energy because we can't keep on borrowing from the chinese and sending money to saudi arabia. we are mortgaging our children's future. we've got to have a different energy plan. we've got to invest in college affordability. so we're going to have to make some investments, but we've also got to make spending cuts. and what i've proposed, you'll hear senator mccain say well, he's proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually i'm
. daniels, indiana has balanced budgets. when governor daniels stepped into office, there was a deficit. at the same time, there were a variety of tactics like delaying payments. my question to my colleagues on the stage is, how will we avoid the mistakes of the past that allowed indiana to go so deep in red? how do we ensure the next administration produces honestly balanced budgets and preserves the fiscal integrity of the state of indiana. >> we have bipartisan control of government. it is essential. we have a republican house and senate and a democratic governor. i like your idea. i get kind of a kick, the congressmen and i have known each other for years. he is a fine person, but we disagree on many things. there is the candidate and the congressmen. humanist 86% of the votes. -- you missed 86% of the votes. and you would vote governor daniels' name. mitch daniels is a friend of mine, but he shows up to work every day. he is there. you are talking about our financial situation and when you were in congress and in control, president bush was in office, you voted five times to raise
it was a big price tag and it made the score look bad, make it look like a deficit, that provision was taken out and it's been going on in stand-alone legislation. but ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. hiding spending does not reduce spending. and so when you take a look at all this, it just doesn't add up. let's finish with the cost curve. are we bending the cost curve down? or are we bending the cost curve up? if you look at your own sheet act wear in medicare, we're bending it up. ears claiming that we're going up 22 -- $222 billion. adding more to the unsustainable fiscal situation we have. and so, when you take a look at this, it's really deeper than the deficits or the budget gimmicks or the actuaryial analysis. there really is a difference between us. and we've been talking about how much we agree on different issues, but there really is a difference between us. and it's basically this. we don't think the government should be in control of all of this. we want people to be in control. and that at the end of the day is the big difference. now we've
energy independent by the end of the decade. get this deficit and debt under control. >> -in -- in addition to asking your comments, we put up some polls. this is not scientific. it is just for people who happen to take part. 1483 say joe biden on the debate. paul ryan, 1095. we are listening to your calls and reaction tonight. the next up is a democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. i was very moved by vice president joe biden. a heartfelt story about losing his life. i never knew that about him. four years ago, it was my first time voting. i voted for obama. i will again i am at 47 cents and he was mentioning. i was laid off in 2010. i just want you to know when robert watson was just on and he said vice president biden on a personal level, it is true he says that with the american people. i learned a lot about him personally. four years ago, i had never heard of him. now seeing this, i have two kids in college who will be first- time voters. i am letting them make up their own determination. i made sure they saw both debates. one is 19 and one is 20, and they have
on deficit reduction requiring the wealthy to pay more and more cutting in the federal government. >> you have 90 seconds. >> again, shame on you. you thought this campaign is going to be a coronation because you're a democrat and now you are in a serious race with a serious woman and you are desperate. therefore you raise these issues. my plan sites every word that i used from the brightest in the best to but my plan together. you would be better served to be putting a plan together. you need to be honest with the people of connecticut. you need to be honest about your special interest loans. to be honest about your attendance in washington. shame on you for taking this direction with this campaign. it is beneath you. and the people of connecticut deserve better. in my plan, i have referenced a tax cut for the middle class. my plan, if you take a look at it, absolutely keeps taxes the same across the board accept we're going to cut taxes for the middle class. my plan is the only one that has an actual middle-class tax cut. congressman murphy has voted to raise taxes on the middle class o
a budget deficit of $1.30 trillion and a $16 trillion debt. >> the question would be, is it worth not getting these benefits to the veterans if it means no more lard? >> what happens is those bills will be brought right back. they are popular pieces of legislation. people want to support veterans and they should. when this ad ran that claimed that i would deny care for veterans with missing limbs and legs, it did. it showed pictures of them. my father is a korean war veteran. my brother has done two tours in afghanistan, two in iraq. april white, when she saw that ad, she called our office and said that may be sick because when i cannot get the benefits i was due only one person without the and that was jeff flake. >> let's look at the facts. we can stipulate -- my father and uncle served in combat. my brother served 30 years and special forces. that is not the issue. the congressman is trying to evade the issue. there are three specific bills he voted against those issues. it is not only me. the iraqi-afghanistan veterans organization gave him an f. the vietnam veterans gave him
spending under control by cutting the deficits in half. he also was so confident that shortly after taking office, president obama said he would fix the economy in three years or face a one term proposition. today he has broken those promises. now his words have no credibility. midway to the debate, the president realized that he had an president for the past four years and it was his policies and his agenda that failed to produce any of the results that a promised us as a candidate. president obama had not shown the kind of leadership we need. the face crisis today. which requires a steady hand. in a leader focus on the job. a president obama's focus has been on saving his own job. as party chairman, i understand that the president must campaign. but he also has a job to do. while barack obama enjoys being president, he does not seem to enjoy the work required in being a great president. for example, he has not bother to meet with his own jobs council since january. however, he has found the time for a lavish campaign fund- raisers, 140 cents a slash jobs council meeting. the president --
it done. the failure of the joint deficit committee has left us with the looming arbitrary cuts. those will be mentioned from up here and down there. i'm pleased that the house essentially passed a bill that said no, these impending cuts aren't going to affect military families and certainly i think that's all of our position. we'd like the administration to clarify that that is set in concrete. so again, certainly, as you said commander, we must make it clear that under no circumstances we will not balance the budget on the backs of our men and women in uniform and our veterans. [applause]. i thought you all were napping. and again the good news is i think we're all on board. thanks for your neverts suicide prevention. that's something we work on hard here. there's just a number of things in regard to that. the other thing that i'm concerned about is military voting. that is something that if anybody has a right to vote, it's the men and women that are serving overseas. so i think in a very bipartisan way we're working to ensure that is not going to be a problem. so we're going to pre
're talking about problem in the debt and deficit. the fiscal cliff comes at the first of the year. there is no doubt that if we don't work together, we are dead in the water. mike, there have been plenty of proposals out there that make sense for this country. big broad based proposals. talked about many of them. they're the simpson-bowls and the list goes on. all sorts of gangs. the bottom line is those templates can be put together. it has to have everything in it, everything has to be addressed. people need to work together. i think there's critical minds in senate to get it done. when we talk about sequestration and the fiscal year, that was imposed on us a bipartisan way to get it done. we have to work together. it is easily fixed. like i said in the beginning, it's what montana do naturally. in washington d.c., we need to learn from montana. >> thank you representative rehberg, one minute. >> first thing we need to do is repeal obamacare. that will be the first action that we need to work on a bipartisan solution to the farm bill. what we really need to do as i travel around
for drilling on public land and water. i got to ask him about the deficit spending. i asked him why he spent $90 billion sending money to bring energy companies, many owned by friends and contributors of his. we heard what he had to say or not say. i think we boiled it down to this. more recently, he said you cannot change washington from the inside. you have to change it from the outside. we will give him that chance on november 6. [applause] there were a couple of places where we agreed. we agreed we would take this country in very different directions. he points out, actually it was the vice president appointed out the truth, but they are planning on raising taxes to dollars trillion with the obamacare taxes. there is no question they are spending. the interest on the debt they have announced -- amassed will cause them to raise taxes on the middle class. i make this commitment to you. under no circumstances will i raise taxes on middle-class americans. [applause] under his path, we will have obamacare installed. let me tell you what that means. the bureaucrats will tell you what treatment
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